原帖由 S3BL470@98A 於 2011-8-8 18:33 發表 http://hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
還有的是轉車優惠問題，九巴71A已經是一個好例子。
當時九鐵接駁巴士提供八達通轉車優惠，使九鐵接駁巴士路線輕易地改為全空調服務。
但是71A沒有提供轉車優惠，原本於2005年加入空調巴士行走的71A，直至2007年12月10日起 ...
你講緊咩野？
跟本文「熱狗車長不適」有咩關係？
原帖由 teddybus 於 2011-8-7 20:07 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
估唔到真係有人會話熱狗無問題, 係司機身子孱受唔住熱
我覺得講呢d 說話既人真係欠缺同理心...
唔通global warming 就係得冷氣巴take 晒所有責任?
唔計冷氣巴, 呢個世界仲有私家車係會製造廢氣
高樓大廈密集一樣加劇global warming
even 你用緊電腦都間接係一個元兇
將個責任推晒落冷氣巴, 推晒落選擇冷氣巴既乘客, 我覺得對佢地好唔公平囉.... :L 引用:
無人要你係街度曬10分鐘, 你大可以去有冷氣地方兜個轉架...
如果你係大角咀上車, 想吹到風? 過埋旺角就有機既, 不過唔知要幾耐時間囉...
仲話等到落車先歎汽水喎, 你捱得到目的地落車已經非常好
(除非旺角就係你既目的地)...
你都知打工辛苦
咁點解我用多少少自己搵返黎既血汗錢搭程舒服d 既冷氣車要比人鬧呀?
司機身子孱受唔住熱先出事係事實，我已經講過未聽過車速慢過巴士途徑大量旺區既電車車長出事。
就算話電車通風好過巴士，而家係咪日日都有熱狗司機出事丫﹖個別事件好出奇咩…
同樣地唔通我系大熱天時見到冷富豪擺街係家常便飯，就可以話冷氣富豪巴士不適合熱天時在香港行走，因為容易壞車 ﹖
無人話過 Global Warming 係冷氣巴負晒所有責任，借題發揮 :L
我只知起碼我企系架私家車，熱狗巴士後面無企系架 ATE 後面咁難頂
我係一個路人唔似你巴士迷，我係由表面觀感去判斷，唔識同你唸咁多理由去護冷巴或者辯駁…
下，個個巴士站附近都有商場或者地方比你嘆冷氣﹖
仲有，你「捱得到目的地」定義係﹖還有生命嗎﹖
我近年就未聽過有乘客系熱狗上面捱唔到目的地需要送院或死亡既新聞喇
你想用多少少自己搵返黎既血汗錢搭程舒服d 既冷氣就要全香港人都就你呀﹖
另外好似無人鬧緊你，你想得太多了 …
[ 本帖最後由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:44 編輯 ]
原帖由 teddybus 於 2011-8-8 10:29 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
你錯喇, 好多上班一族係會覺得自己返左一日工好辛苦
返歸個陣都寧願比多少少搭程舒服d 唔使捱熱捱焗既巴士...
你無資格話人錯
你肯定全港打工仔都會覺得自己返左一日工好辛苦返歸個陣都寧願比多少少搭程舒服d 唔使捱熱捱焗既巴士咩 ?
同埋我想問
放工有理由唔想搭，咁返工呢﹖:lol
原帖由 kokchun 於 2011-8-7 17:10 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
咁你解釋下點解好病唔病
揸冷馬中暑新聞咁小
係要揸熱狗先黎暈 ?
全世界得中暑係病 ﹖ :L
咩你認為而家新聞報到無野好報
連一個經常渣冷氣車既巴士司機傷風感冒都要上新聞 ? :lol
原帖由 段飛 於 2011-8-7 17:17 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
若果從來無聽過電車車長因為工作期間太熱而不適需要送院既話
咁巴士公司就更加要檢討,檢討點解人地同樣係車廂入面,同樣係無冷 ...
同意
呢個根本係巴士公司既問題
並唔係熱狗本身有問題
此外:
所以咁多人發表偉論應該儘早全面全冷，無一般人希望搭熱狗都係十分之無聊同無建設性，以為佢自己好有代表性佢係咁就個個都係咁唸 :L
[ 本帖最後由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:46 編輯 ]
原帖由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:27 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
司機身子孱受唔住熱先出事係事實，我已經講過未聽過車速慢過巴士途徑大量旺區既電車車長出事。
就算話電車通風好過巴士，而家係咪日日都有熱狗司機出事丫﹖個別事件好出奇咩…
同樣地唔通我系大熱天時見到冷富豪擺街係家常便飯，就可以話冷氣富豪巴士不適合熱天時在香港行走，因為容易壞車 ﹖ ...
Well, as someone mentioned above,
tram drivers normally gets a fan near their driving seat and tram doesnt have a radiator in the front like bus.
Also, because of the cockpit design, the ventilation of cockpit in tram is much better than that of a bus...
I dont have the figure of bus drivers suffered from heatstroke, but according to the following news, the drivers claim that there were a lot of cases that bus drivers suffered from heatstroke which is not reported:
接連有俗稱「熱狗巴」的非空調巴士車長，因中暑而送院，事件反映「熱狗巴」在高溫下，無論對車長還是乘客也有潛在危險。不過，近日曝光的中暑個案可能只是冰山一角。本報量度三條有熱狗巴行駛的巴士線，發現有車廂溫度高達攝氏三十七點六度，有「熱狗車長」更踢爆，不少車長曾因車廂高溫中暑或不適，只是事件未有曝光，他們為求自保，惟有駕車時用噴壺向身上灑水。
From: http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20100708/00176_097.html
If that's true, that I can only say that the problem of getting heatstroke while driving non-a/c buses is more serious that you've ever thought. I really think you should read more related news and think the whole issue in bus drivers' perspective.
and actually the tram drivers also have complaint on getting heatstroke in the tram
工會副主席江錦文表示，雖然資方會就增加的工時向員工發放「補水」，但不少員工認為工時過長，既影響健康又影響家庭生活，「尤其是夏天咁熱，車廂又冇冷氣，工作十幾個鐘，焗到好辛苦！」擔心在欠缺休息下工作，會直接影響駕駛安全，危及車長及乘客。 From http://news.hk.msn.com/local/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4142113
You should really thanks God that not many tram drivers got serious heatstroke that need to be sent to the hospital.Again, like what you have said, this is also a fact that you cant deny.
And, it is really inhumane to compare the bus drivers suffering heatstroke with breaking down of Volvo buses... Buses are just lifeless machine, how can you use it to make comparison with a driver's life?
原帖由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:27 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
無人話過 Global Warming 係冷氣巴負晒所有責任，借題發揮 :L
我只知起碼我企系架私家車，熱狗巴士後面無企系架 ATE 後面咁難頂
我係一個路人唔似你巴士迷，我係由表面觀感去判斷，唔識同你唸咁多理由去護冷巴或者辯駁…
In the previous post you just blame the a/c buses for leading to global warming, that's why I remind you that there are other factors causing global warming, and actually these factors play even more major role in leading the global warming. For example, nearly 60% of vehicles in HK are private cars.
You have to see the whole picture, yes you are right, standing in one ATE is much uncomfortable that just one private cars, but unfortunately, the ratio of private cars to ATEs is not 1:1...
I am sorry but I didnt think what I have pointed out is in the point of view of a bus enthusiatic, and I need to clarify your misunderstanding that what I said is not aimed at so-called "護冷巴" or "辯駁"... It shows you only
原帖由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:27 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
我近年就未聽過有乘客系熱狗上面捱唔到目的地需要送院或死亡既新聞喇
I really suggest you do some searching before saying there is no tram passengers suffered from heatstroke...
"婦坐電車 焗到嘔白泡" happened in 2010 http://www2.news.sina.com.hk/news/1206/3/2/1778025/1.html
"老翁疑中暑電車上暈倒" happened in 2009 http://www.hkheadline.com/instantnews/news_content/200908/16/20090816a203202.html?cat=a
原帖由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:27 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
你想用多少少自己搵返黎既血汗錢搭程舒服d 既冷氣就要全香港人都就你呀﹖
另外好似無人鬧緊你，你想得太多了 …
I am sorry again but I have to tell you this is what the most of the society think:
有政黨於兩年前曾就非空調巴士進行意見調查，結果發現當中有五成八受訪者表示，不會因非空調巴士車費比較便宜而選擇乘坐；另外，亦有五成八及七成二受訪者強調，不會選擇在夏天早上及夏天中午乘搭非空調巴士，更有七成八及六成一人表示，乘坐長途車及中長途時，會選擇有空調的巴士
From http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20100708/00176_098.html
This survey is conducted in 2008, so the statistic is a bit outdated, one concern is that the air quality in 2008 is far better than that in 2011.
I know that it is difficult for non-a/c buses fans like you to believe and accept, but this is the fact... :loveliness:
原帖由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:29 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif
你無資格話人錯
你肯定全港打工仔都會覺得自己返左一日工好辛苦返歸個陣都寧願比多少少搭程舒服d 唔使捱熱捱焗既巴士咩 ?
同埋我想問放工有理由唔想搭，咁返工呢﹖:lol ...
Just as mentioned in previous post, they may just dont want to wait for another buses to come, especially if the frequency of that route is low.
it doesnt mean they are willing to take non-a/c buses, or they will prefer non-a/c buses more than a/c buses.
I cant say 100% (and I didnt mean 100% in the previous post, dont try to gamble my words)
but I can say most of the society will do. For reasons I have mentioned it in previous posts I am not going to repeat.
原帖由 38．HKT．138 於 2011-8-9 01:40 發表 http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/images/common/back.gif 所以咁多人發表偉論應該儘早全面全冷，無一般人希望搭熱狗都係十分之無聊同無建設性，以為佢自己好有代表性佢係咁就個個都係咁唸
Well, I think what I have mentioned is rational, reasonable and supported with evidence. I dont think you have the right to judge other people's opinion as "無聊" and "無建設性". You should learn to respect other's opinion. If you have strong disagreement with what I have said, show it with evidence. Saying something like "無聊" and "無建設性" doesnt mean you are justice, it only show that you are running short of arguments.... :L
[ 本帖最後由 teddybus 於 2011-8-9 10:10 編輯 ]
在車長角度而言，熱狗既環境的確唔適合長時間工作
見到好多司機都要出盡法寶，例如整高褲腳、搵條大毛巾抹汗
真係替佢地辛苦，短期內也只有在駕駛室裝設冷風機，或風扇也好，降一降溫:L
但乘客而言，話熱狗係熱根本為嘈而嘈，大陸有很多大城市都唔係全部公交車有空調
相信佢地既炎熱環境仲辛苦過香港，但一樣係照搭
而且香港話「酷熱」既環境其實又唔係真係咁熱，叫果班人暑假走上上海就知味道
依個情況相信只係香港既新一代已被大城市既生活寵壞，唔識得咩叫知足
見到大部分坐熱狗既都係老一輩，真係感覺到時移世易啦:Q
不過總體來說，都係楂車果個重要D，話晒佢都係拎住百幾人既性命，所以我都贊成夏天係全空調服務
但九巴可唔可以引入可開窗既空調巴士，到冬天就唔開冷氣，以補償夏天既排放
如果冬天照收空調價相信大部分香港人都係唔介意既，剩低既只係唔明咩叫環保:D