Two points :
http://hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/viewthread.php?tid=538082&extra=page%3D1
http://hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/viewthread.php?tid=538081&extra=page%3D1
http://hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/viewthread.php?tid=538080&extra=page%3D1
One point :
http://hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/viewthread.php?tid=536857&extra=page%3D16
http://hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/viewthread.php?tid=536880&extra=page%3D16