Greendale
發表於 2005-7-2 21:33
from luckyryan625
要去上水過境既
搭02R去海天碼頭轉船又得
搭01R、03R轉地鐵去青衣轉279X又得(不過比我搭船好過！)
海天碼頭 service air transfer passager only, detail please refer to the
HK airport website.
by 01R / 03R -> MTR -> 279X
It cost almost 2 hours to SheungShui. Please don't forget to count the waiting time during transferring!
01R for the student who studying at TC, Dagron Air office & other airport area staffs (DBer), car parking, shopping & NT bus transferring.
02R for airport traveller, CX city staffs
03R for MTR transferring or visiting Disneyland. (NT bus?! There is any NT bus stop at there?)
Ferry, for HK island & TST(E)
P21/01P there are only 3 schedule to / from DB. For the club house operating period, it alway full at the morning. Do you know that? Had you get into this bus? The decreasing of passager is due to the few schedule, not the demand. However, I can image that the passager will be increased after the bus through Sunny Bay (now TC).
from gn3509
若果想轉車,其實搭DB01R去轉E車或DB02R去轉A車已經得
住得愉景灣,窮極有限,
相信對愉景灣居民及呢條線應該唔算太貴,速度亦都夠晒快
若果响機場直接轉直通車,當然貴
我唔認同落馬洲/上水係主要地區.
First of all, there isn't "E" route from TungChung to SheungShui but for Shatin KCR only.
Secondly, 02R to A43 cost 2 hours too. Please count the waiting time at airport. I did this way for a few month until I brought the car and I had to wait for at least half hour to get into the A43. If I use to meet the people at LoWu before 9:00am, I should take the 7:00am 02R or earlier.
Fare isn't the big issue, but time is!
For "direct bus", there isn't early morning schedule. Detail please check with the bus company. I did!
Are you joking?! Lok Ma Chau & SheungShui (LoWu) aren't the major point?!
I guess that you are still studying. If you working in Eng. Acc, planning .... you should know.
from Dennis0810
Demand的確係唔知，但相信總可以估計了吧？依我估計就唔會好好。
與其要開一條只去落馬洲／上水之路線，何不開愉景灣<-->青嶼幹線收費廣場之路線，再同其他A/E線做轉乘，既可方便去所有目的地之乘客，又可令此線之需求更顯得實在吧。
For the demand, I can sure that the ans is "positive". I know over 20 DBers who use to travel to China frequently & I believe the demand shouldn't less than this number, right?. Don't forget that there are ~19000 population in DB.
Anyway, the demand mightn't reach the "good" level, but it should be OK for keeping the route.
I understand that we are discussing the idea, don't worry!;)
There isn't bus from DB to TsingMa bus stop. If transfer at there, it mean that we use to increase the waiting time.
from SSBT
我話開條線由上水／落馬州去東涌，
原意係想有多ｄ人口支持哩條線，
可以服務埋東涌區居民 ..
既然你話可以接受駕車，
點解唔駕車去到上水／落馬州泊車先過關丫？
I also desire TC to Lok Ma Chau / SheungShui in the nearly future.
On the other hand, please understand that DB market is different to TC.
For TC service, the fare is a big issue. For DB service, the service level alway at the first priority.
Yes, I drive to ShuengShui / Lok Ma Chau when I travel to China. However, is there any more "green" & efficient method? Bus is the soluation.
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For the people right here who don't believe, please do the research in DB and show the data! I did it, how about u?:mad:
Finally, please don't forget that the relation between HK & China (GD district) become closer. The manufacturing & business field are on the way moving to China. It mean that the demand for crossing broadary will be increased (not only happen at DB but for all districts in HK)
Again, I discuss the points only, not point to any person here.
Hope you can think about this idea from the DBer point of view.
[ Last edited by Greendale on 2005-7-2 at 21:56 ]
fw1321
發表於 2005-7-2 22:40
Greendale在 2005-7-2 21:33 發表:
For the demand, I can sure that the ans is "positive". I know over 20 DBers who use to travel to China frequently & I believe the demand shouldn't less than this number, right?. Don't forget that there are ~19000 population in DB.
Anyway, the demand mightn't reach the "good" level, but it should be OK for keeping the route.
I understand that we are discussing the idea, don't worry!
There isn't bus from DB to TsingMa bus stop. If transfer at there, it mean that we use to increase the waiting time.
超過二十人即係幾多人? 每小時開一班車又是否配合到
這班人上班的時間?
Greendale
發表於 2005-7-2 23:41
fw1321在 2005-7-2 22:40 發表:
超過二十人即係幾多人? 每小時開一班車又是否配合到
這班人上班的時間?
Nobody know the except number, so do you & I!
On the other hand, my meaning is - I know 20 people who use to travel to SZ frequently and they all desire to have this route.
If the route operate by "the sun" bus, the company should use 40(50) seats bus.
For day, 40(seat) x 14 (hour, schedule) x 2 (return) = 1120 passagers
Don't forget that number is full capacity & the break even should be half or below.
Furthermore, DBer can accept higher fare (even HKD50 per trip), that's why I said it is different market to TC.
For frequently China (Shenzhen / DongGuan / GD area) traveller, usually meet at LoWu (Shenzhen side) at 08:30 to 09:30, it mean the peak hour for DB -> LMC/SS is 07:00 / 08:00. For return, it should be 17:00 to 20:00.
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gn3509
發表於 2005-7-3 00:08
Greendale在 2005-7-2 09:33 PM 發表:
First of all, there isn't "E" route from TungChung to SheungShui but for Shatin KCR only.
Secondly, 02R to A43 cost 2 hours too. Please count the waiting time at airport. I did this way for a few month until I brought the car and I had to wait for at least half hour to get into the A43. If I use to meet the people at LoWu before 9:00am, I should take the 7:00am 02R or earlier.
Fare isn't the big issue, but time is!
For "direct bus", there isn't early morning schedule. Detail please check with the bus company. I did!
Are you joking?! Lok Ma Chau & SheungShui (LoWu) aren't the major point?!
I guess that you are still studying. If you working in Eng. Acc, planning .... you should know..
好多偏遠地方交通都係咁上下,住得咁偏僻既地方就唔該唔好預好似市區咁交通方便,
度度都有直車去
若果搭車/轉車耐就係開線既借口,似乎赤柱/石澳等地都應該開條線去落馬洲
人口唔會比DB少,交通亦唔會比DB方便,居民負擔能力唔會比DB低
開線比DB更迫切,而且等車連搭車時間隨時仲耐過DB
但你估下有冇可能?度度都開線去,到時成個落馬洲癱瘓都似
搭DB02R轉A43共$56,唔算貴(對DB居民而言)
相信即使有E線去上水,你都一定話慢
請唔好唔記得,東區,南區,將軍澳等地去上水既交通仲係0。
呢幾區既人口夾埋差唔多全港1/6
講開線既優先次序,數極都未到得幾萬(定萬幾?)既DB
過境關口係重要,但係有冇可能區區都開條線去?
佢唔似得旺角,尖沙咀,中環等地有咁大既交通網絡
羅湖已經有樣野叫九廣東鐵
落馬洲既交通網絡冇可能負荷到區區都開條線去
响咁既情況下,善用轉乘比區區開條線去更實際
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gn3509
發表於 2005-7-3 00:10
Greendale在 2005-7-2 11:41 PM 發表:
Nobody know the except number, so do you & I!
On the other hand, my meaning is - I know 20 people who use to travel to SZ frequently and they all desire to have this route. Therefore the d ...
服務緊成個東九龍既觀塘跨境快線都未做到班班滿車,
唔見得DB有咁既能力
Greendale
發表於 2005-7-3 01:07
gn3509在 2005-7-3 00:10 發表:
服務緊成個東九龍既觀塘跨境快線都未做到班班滿車,
唔見得DB有咁既能力
May I know that who said 班班滿?
Nobody said DB有咁既能力!
Is there any misunderstand on this point or it is caused by my bad english writing?
羅湖已經有樣野叫九廣東鐵
Yes, that's why we need a route to SheungShui KCR.
落馬洲既交通網絡冇可能負荷到區區都開條線去
Yes, however, the bus can reduce the private car qtys. 1 bus can reduce at least few cars, by simple calculation, you should know the ans.
善用轉乘比區區開條線去更實際
Yes, I totally agree this point, however, how you think if you use to transfer 3 or more timesfor a single destination? Please consider point in reasonable way. Sometime "efficient" is important too.
若果搭車/轉車耐就係開線既借口,似乎赤柱/石澳等地都應該開條線去落馬洲
For such district, the majer bottle neck is the road of south district such as island road & Stanley gap road.
請唔好唔記得,東區,南區,將軍澳等地去上水既交通仲係0。
呢幾區既人口夾埋差唔多全港1/6
講開線既優先次序,數極都未到得幾萬(定萬幾?)既DB
There isn't any conflict for DB operating SS/LMK service (estate bus).
I don't understand why you guy alway link up DB to 東區,南區,將軍澳.
They are different market!!! They can't be compared!!! And you can suggest the route for conecting such districts to SS/LMC too. There isn't conflict to DB, right?
This route canbe operated by DBTSL or club house, it is private service, Understood?
There isn't any lose to the public!!!! If it lose, it will be DBer's lose (increasing of management fee / club house monthly fee). Or you can say it can cause traffic jam at SS/LMK. Excuse me, there are 2 more buses on the road but reduce the private cars (DB owner) at SS/LMK. Understood?
相信即使有E線去上水,你都一定話慢
Did I said? Guy, we are disscussing the point, why you said such word?!!!
I will appreciate if the TC to SS route operate and I will take this bus.
I suggest this route for the real demand, not just for fun. I feel sad to heard such replies, why don't think the suggestion in positive way? I agree some of the against sound such as trial run at peak hours first, but disagree for the no reason against.
Anyway, I appreciate HKiTalk provide a place for discussing.
[ Last edited by Greendale on 2005-7-3 at 01:39 ]
M
發表於 2005-7-4 06:33
Greendale在 2005.7.3 01:07 發表:
May I know that who said 班班滿?
Nobody said DB有咁既能力!
Is there any misunderstand on this point or it is caused by my bad english writing?
Yes, that's why we need a route to SheungS ...
但由愉景灣去上水唔係可以搭02R再轉A43麼？
不過，愉景灣唔俾居民駕車出入就真既，如果唔係
愉景灣就唔駛周街都有Golf車啦！
gn3509在 2005.7.3 00:08 發表:
好多偏遠地方交通都係咁上下,住得咁偏僻既地方就唔該唔好預好似市區咁交通方便,
度度都有直車去
若果搭車/轉車耐就係開線既借口,似乎赤柱/石澳等地都應該開條線去落馬洲
人口唔會比DB少,交通亦唔會比DB方便 ...
車程未必是問題，候車才是問題。A43要成半粒鐘一班wor！
若果送車尾既話就慘了！
[ Last edited by M on 2005-7-4 at 06:36 ]
KC3555
發表於 2005-7-5 11:20
如果要說服我們愉景灣往上水及落馬洲的需求：
先要提交估計數據：唔係口口聲聲話有需求。
好似我以前加埋三個同事日日由屯門去西貢返工，
又真係好有需求。
但係：如果真係要到大陸返工，成班愉景灣人士非富則貴，
大有能力到市區買樓做中途宿舍返大陸，基本上現在愉景灣回大陸，
乘搭交通工具，最快及合理的途徑係愉景灣坐DB01R去東涌市中心，
再乘地鐵至青衣，再轉乘279X往上水，再過關到深圳，
連等車時間及過關時間最快約為120分鐘。
根據2001年人口普查，愉景灣人月入中位數約100,000元一個月，
從這個資料顯示，呢班人無可能無其他物業在市區或投資等。
根據2001年人口普查，整個愉景灣（當時海澄湖畔尚未入伙）只有約15,000人
我假設海澄湖畔入了伙有8,000人居住，就只有23,000人。
另外，根據2005年入境處報告，羅湖每日平均出入境人數為245,000人，
我們用300,000估計全港每日平均出入境人數，則只佔香港人口4.5%左右。
而出入境佔90%是香港居民。
我們估計，23,000人 x 4.5% x 90% 為愉景灣每日出入境人數，則只有932人。
再加上工作人口只有約45%，平均只有420人到中國上班。
但再根據2001人口普查，使用渡輪前往工作目的地有85%，
用巴士加鐵路的只有約13%，我們相信13%的乘客中會有部份返大陸工作。
另外在大嶼山區（同區）工作中位數約35%。
則用這條式計算：23,000人 x 13%使用陸路率 x 45%工作人口 x
65%離開大嶼山：若所有人用陸路人士都回大陸上班，人數為875人。
以這數據而言，支持到一條路線往落馬洲，甚至其他非商業區，
都幾乎係無可能。
參巧資料：中原地圖及入境處網站
[ Last edited by KC3555 on 2005-7-5 at 21:28 ]
SSBT
發表於 2005-7-5 17:09
KC3555在 2005-7-5 11:20 AM 發表:
如果要說服我們愉景灣往上水及落馬洲的需求：
先要提交估計數據：唔係口口聲聲話有需求。
好似我以前加埋三個同事日日由屯門去西貢返工，
又真係好有需求。
但係：如果真係要到大陸返工，成班愉景灣人士非富則 ...
大家講左咁耐，
終於有返ｄ說法力較高既數據喇 ..
根據你所提供既數據，
開設東涌至上水既巴士路線都已經比較困難，
何況係愉景灣呢 ..
ytwong
發表於 2005-7-5 23:48
SSBT在 2005-7-5 05:09 PM 發表:
大家講左咁耐，
終於有返ｄ說法力較高既數據喇 ..
根據你所提供既數據，
開設東涌至上水既巴士路線都已經比較困難，
何況係愉景灣呢 ..
對
愉景灣去青衣0既路線都未有, 又點會有車去上水