咁我地呢代又做過咩呢？

原帖由 GT40 於 2007-6-13 23:55 發表
陳冠中的著作我這一代香港人裡提到,當年參與的學生只是極少數,
規模比不上六四和03年7-1,說是火紅年代有點誇張,當年學生的愛國
情懷早就在80年代的經濟泡沫中淹沒,想當年有誰不會說得如何有意義,
況且即使有多大的愛國熱忱,看看中共直至現時對保釣的態度如何?看看
程翔的下場如何?不要浪費你的熱情和精力,大學有甚麼不好做,學他們?
不要那麼笨

你明顯地曲解了陳冠中的意思了！我還未有把整本書讀完，
但有幸聽過陳先生的課。你說得沒錯，當年參與的學生只是
極少數，不過他認為如今社會上空間更大，更應該去追求自
己理想。他寫這本書，某程度就是說他們這一代香港人，其
實是愧對了香港，他希望年青人要更透入地去爭取公義。

原帖由 monkey_bsw 於 2007-6-14 14:29 發表


兄台咁你就錯喇.
people who are really hopeless are those who did not know they don't know but they thought they know a lot.
those who ask & think about the question is "hopeful" as they reflect on t ...

I think you are right if and only if those people can answer their own question
For those who ask, but can't answer, i dont see how hopeful they could be
Reviewing is meaningless unless you know the answer
its like i am asking what 2+2 equals to.
if i didnt know the answer, or how to find the answer,
it wont take you too far by just looking at the question again, again and again
thats why teachers, instructions are important.

by the way, men should have confidence in themselves~
Review is valuable only when people know what they are doing, or
people have be taught how to do
thats just what i think~

原帖由 dicksonboy 於 2007-6-14 23:16 發表

I think you are right if and only if those people can answer their own question
For those who ask, but can't answer, i dont see how hopeful they could be
Reviewing is meaningless unless you know the answer
its like i am asking what 2+2 equals to.
if i didnt know the answer, or how to find the answer,
it wont take you too far by just looking at the question again, again and again
thats why teachers, instructions are important.

by the way, men should have confidence in themselves~
Review is valuable only when people know what they are doing, or
people have be taught how to do
thats just what i think~

come on, life doesn't always have an answer!!!
everyday we face a lot of different people and issues around us, and these things change vigorously every single second...
that is not an equation or anything like mathematics or logic that a "model answer" can always be given.

review does not necessarily helps figuring out the solution or the "answer", if there were any.
having know that i still do not know and i hope to know (and further, by thinking of the means to know) also benefits oneself.

teachers & instructions are important, but self-evaluation, self-understanding, independent thinking are even more important to me!

原帖由 monkey_bsw 於 2007-6-14 23:54 發表


come on, life doesn't always have an answer!!!
everyday we face a lot of different people and issues around us, and these things change vigorously every single second...
that is not an equation or a ...

u sound like misunderstand what i am trying to say
i do believe evaluation is important, but there's gonna be something elses go with it
if self-evaluate is the only thing you do,
you are jogging in your own circle, you are not progressing.
To make self-evaluate powerful and worthwhile,
it needs to be accompanied by other factors, such as professional inputs

take a look at the books about strategy, it will tell you more about that

原帖由 da54 於 2007-6-14 17:18 發表


你明顯地曲解了陳冠中的意思了！我還未有把整本書讀完，
但有幸聽過陳先生的課。你說得沒錯，當年參與的學生只是
極少數，不過他認為如今社會上空間更大，更應該去追求自
己理想。他寫這本書，某程度就是說他們這一代香港人，其
...

法國在68年的紅色五月,學生竟然崇尚毛主義,羨慕中國的文革,
看玻璃之城看得熱血沸騰,不妨再看埋另一套法國片戲夢巴黎,
法國學生比紅衛兵更荒謬,但在此其間推動了豐富的文化學術思潮,
例如沙特的著作,存在主義對現代文明的衝擊,間接令法國殖民地瓦解,
教育制度改變,可是在中國呢?頂多出了個拍馬屁的郭沬若,和文革後的
傷痕文學,更多的是災難。不要發夢了,中國根本不曾改變,熱情更大,失望
就更大,不太值得

原帖由 GT40 於 2007-6-16 00:54 發表

法國在68年的紅色五月,學生竟然崇尚毛主義,羨慕中國的文革,
看玻璃之城看得熱血沸騰,不妨再看埋另一套法國片戲夢巴黎,
法國學生比紅衛兵更荒謬,但在此其間推動了豐富的文化學術思潮,
例如沙特的著作,存在主義對現 ...

你是指不會改變吧？

不會改變的話，就會被歷史的洪流淘汰啊。

原帖由 dicksonboy 於 2007-6-15 11:37 發表

u sound like misunderstand what i am trying to say
i do believe evaluation is important, but there's gonna be something elses go with it
if self-evaluate is the only thing you do,
you are jogging in your own circle, you are not progressing.
To make self-evaluate powerful and worthwhile,
it needs to be accompanied by other factors, such as professional inputs

take a look at the books about strategy, it will tell you more about that

forgotten to reply you.

actually i responded to you as you said "i think those who need to ask that question are kinda hopeless~ they dont even know what they are doing~"...... which i can hardly accept.

Did i misunderstand what you are trying to say? i don't think so. instead, I believe you cannot get what I say.

NO ONE EVER SAID "self-evaluate is the only thing" to do. I had been emphasizing that it is ONLY THE FIRST STEP, in respond to your point that "THOSE WHO NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION ARE KINDA HOPELESS".

by the way, i feel like you kept on adding my points into yours throughout the discussion...
afterall, i cannot disagree with what you agreed with me...

[ 本帖最後由 monkey_bsw 於 2007-6-18 12:40 編輯 ]

原帖由 monkey_bsw 於 2007-6-18 12:38 發表


by the way, i feel like you kept on adding my points into yours throughout the discussion...
afterall, i cannot disagree with what you agreed with me...

thats right! thats all i have been doing ~
i did not say you were wrong~ i mean what you first said wasnt enough:
asking "what we've done" doesn't mean that we did nothing, it's just a review of life.
I have been trying to say, reviewing your life by youself just wasnt enough
thats why i am saying the person who started the conversation was hopeless! he/she dont even know what he/she is doing!
and he/she didnt find professional help, like read a book (at least he/she did not state it in here)
instead, he/she just simply ask a vague question and cant even explain what he/she wants
(so far he/she has not clarified yet after he claims that i am over-analyzing his issue & I apologized for nothing)

like what you said:
people who are really hopeless are those who did not know they don't know but they thought they know a lot.
I totally agree on that; thats why i think the person who published this post was hopeless, because thats exactly how i feel.

I hope i am not confusing you more.
by the way, i dont mean to chase after your tail.
i am pumped up by some one who sounds like they know a lot,
but dont explain to boardmate who don't understand, like me.
maybe he/she thinks i am too dump to know what he/she tries to say

[ 本帖最後由 dicksonboy 於 2007-6-26 11:44 編輯 ]

原帖由 dicksonboy 於 2007-6-26 11:41 發表

I have been trying to say, reviewing your life by youself just wasnt enough
thats why i am saying the person who started the conversation was hopeless! he/she dont even know what he/she is doing!

我針對既正正係你呢一句...

REVIEW --> 需要, 但不足夠
開呢條THREAD的人 --> REVIEW --> HOPELESS?!?!

原帖由 monkey_bsw 於 2007-6-26 23:17 發表


我針對既正正係你呢一句...

REVIEW --> 需要, 但不足夠
開呢條THREAD的人 --> REVIEW --> HOPELESS?!?!

you got most of them right:

開呢條THREAD的人 --> review , but dont know what to review,
how to review (did not state in anywhere) + wouldnt open to different opinions --> hopless