ENVIRO 200 , ENVIRO 200 Dart 同 ENVIRO300 有咩分別?

望高人解答 thx

Enviro200：突破性單層車設計
中門放到去車尾，尾軸採用日本常見、九記曾經試用既肥仔胎
全長10.x 米，載客77人，不過因為款車受TfL既猛烈批評
推出以來只有五架製成品，其中一架賣得出

Enviro200 Dart：基本上你當佢係一架裝左E400款車身既Dart 就可以

Enviro300：大型輕量單層巴士，冇記錯就係Transbus既第一款新車
有12m同12.5m兩個選擇，曾經有三個唔同車頭design
第一個係舊批E500鬼面，第二個係E500笑樣鬼面
第三個就係Enviro400款，即係同而家Enviro200 Dart 十分似樣
但好可惜Enviro300既銷量都係麻麻地

TfL既猛烈批評什麼

不耐用或者維修麻煩?

原帖由 ~誰@359~ 於 2008-8-26 03:41 發表
Enviro200：突破性單層車設計
中門放到去車尾，尾軸採用日本常見、九記曾經試用既肥仔胎
全長10.x 米，載客77人，不過因為款車受TfL既猛烈批評
推出以來只有五架製成品，其中一架賣得出

Enviro200 Dart：基本上你當佢係一架裝左 ...

Well, partly right for all of those.

The original Enviro 200 was conceived as a Dart replacement for London. It has a full low floor design (unlike the Dart/E200Dart) and the Cummin ISBe engine mounted on offside rear, allowing the exit door, as said, to be moved all the way to the back of the vehicle. All were built to a 10.8m length at a B27D layout, with most of the 27 seats at the low floor area (which is the greatest benefit of this vehicle). However, the rear mounted door caused concern by TfL for 1. fare-dodgers, 2. the opening door actually swings beyond the back of the vehicle, making it - theoretically - dangerous to vehicles at the back and 3. nobody know there was a door at the back in the first place and never use it. Because of these, and the fact that it was tailored too much on the London market only, at the end none was ordered by anyone.

The Enviro 200 Dart was developed as a replacement of Dart. It is not just a Dart with a new body, as the chassis was modified to reduce weight (and the new chassis, even when bodied by other coachbuilders, are still referred as E200Dart). Unlike the E200, the E200Dart is not a full low-floor bus. It is available in all lengths previously available in the classic Dart SLF.

The Enviro 300 was a supermidi bus, i.e. a large light-weight single decker. The chassis was, again, based on the Super Dart but, like the E200Dart, was tweaked to reduce weight. The idea is the lighter Enviro 300 will be more economically to run and lure operators away from the heavier full size buses like B7RLE, Citaros and Scania K/L-series. The only problem is, the light-weight has made E300 (and it's direct competing VDL SB200) a less tough vehicle in comparison, and as a result, it never challenged the market as ADL/Transbus had hope.

[ 本帖最後由 NV58 於 2008-8-26 07:53 編輯 ]

But the fact is, the design of rear door located at the end of the bus is not innovative. The German buses like NL, Citaro, or even the French buses, they have such design for long time. Just they are longer and have one more door in the middle. I wonder why this design cannot adapt to England...

原帖由 sunnykam 於 2008-8-26 22:34 發表
But the fact is, the design of rear door located at the end of the bus is not innovative. The German buses like NL, Citaro, or even the French buses, they have such design for long time. Just they are ...

They just want something similar to existing fleet and easy to manage and repair.

Please correct me if I get wrong.

原帖由 sunnykam 於 2008-8-26 14:34 發表
But the fact is, the design of rear door located at the end of the bus is not innovative. The German buses like NL, Citaro, or even the French buses, they have such design for long time. Just they are ...

It is. The reason why that design did not prove poular in Britain is the extra doors take away the number of seats that can be fit in, and the passengers don't like it. That also explains why most of the buses in the country are now single door.

The door itself is not the innovative feature of the E200, but the way the engine was fitted was, adding the drop-centre axis at the rear, its available low floor area is second to none - think about the 10.4m version (not 10.8 as I previously said, although it was also offered), out of the 27 seats available, 17 of them are at the low floor area, that's 6 more that the similar size E200Dart (although it has 3 more seats overall, but its total capacity is still 22 lower than the E200). For a dual door midibus, this is quite an achievement.

原帖由 ATE24 於 2008-8-26 14:38 發表

They just want something similar to existing fleet and easy to manage and repair.

Please correct me if I get wrong.

No, it's just the operational culture in Britain is a bit different. The buses in continental Europe are many built for citybus operation, but in Britain, the buses are used in a much wider operations.

MAN 之前已經有Lion's Midi，短過10米，但就有三度門
一樣都係用肥仔軑，所以E200都唔係始祖