九巴新訂單

原帖由 93A_S3_6:30am 於 2010-6-19 18:28 發表


新車果陣,
有版友post過相

太多暇想....或者係ge,
我直講覺得呢批Enviro200已經係51真命天子

相反,14S就無疑都會有Enviro200份,期侍

你講得對... 因為有幾部會有現有51的"額外設備"

原帖由 sutrak 於 2010-6-19 09:19 發表


不過如果用9.3m / 9.5m E200去代宜家o既 AA, 真係少o左好多座位

假設九巴買雙門版, 好似上邊咁擺, 得返 24個位. 輪椅位搬中門前o既話, 可以到25個, 再如果變單門, 都只係多2-4個位, 點 ...

Although I see your point, but the flaw of that logic is these E200Darts should come as a 1-for-1 replacement to the outgoing AAs.

The way I'm think is, with KMB committed to a small fleet of ASBs, I don't see what the 10.4m E200Dart could bring to the fleet. Getting the smaller E200Darts will hit two birds in one stone - Replacing the AMs and make the fleet a bit more versatile. At the end of the day, a 9.5m E200Dart is not much lower, capacity wise, than the 10.4m version. (we will be talking about 5-8 less in total) And be honest, I don't see a need of 2 doors in a 9m bus - AMs and AA1/2 can live without that anyway.

Before anyone starts jumping on the guns and denounce me as a E200Dart detractor, I need to say this - I simply don't think KMB should have got the ASBs in the first place. Its chassis is simply unsuitable to be shorted to that size, and you can tell from ASB's woeful layout. KMB thought they were clever to standardise on the K230UB on the 12m and 10.6m requirements, but they aren't. They should have gone for the E200Dart or, if they really want Scanias, the N230UB for those 20 buses in the first place.

And now, what they are ending up is 2 types of overlapping size. Instead of consolidating the fleet, they are making it unnecessarily diversed and, cost-wise, inefficient.

[ 本帖最後由 NV58 於 2010-6-19 21:51 編輯 ]

其實雙門版雖然少左低地台座位，但同時提供更多企位(情況有如水塘位)，
尤其而家用Outswinging Plugs，所以雙門版同單門版總載客量分別應該唔係o甘大。

[ 本帖最後由 on11358 於 2010-6-20 09:05 編輯 ]

原帖由 cv7946 於 2010-6-20 02:27 發表


你講得對... 因為有幾部會有現有51的"額外設備"

手動減速??

原帖由 s3n370 於 2010-6-19 14:57 發表


小弟認為用E200新車上山反而不符合效益。
當年專買俾51的M81-88，行幾年51就要返出市區。
無記錯呢批M仔仲要比同款的早退役。

所以小弟反而認為九巴會先改裝低地台Dart行走51線。
到低地台Dart退役，E200亦已到中年。 ...

M81-88 無早退,只係換返吉拿
再改裝批較舊既M仔上山...
(有錯請指)

其實而家批AA亦唔見有早退...
但係批低地台Dart既表現不敢恭維
E200亦未必能應付211既客量...

岩岩計左條數

KMB Non SLF 單層以全盛時計,
AM共184部,AA non-SLF共48部,AN共24部
Total=256

KMB SLF 單層新車,
AA SLF共22部,ASB共20部,ASC/ASCU共30部,AVC共訂70部,E200共訂30部,
Total=172 only

*256-172=84

九巴近了轉左咁多線行單層,
似乎有再加訂單層必要,
唔知大家點睇?

[ 本帖最後由 93A_S3_6:30am 於 2010-6-20 19:28 編輯 ]

原帖由 FD5410 於 2010-6-20 11:41 發表

E200亦未必能應付211既客量...

10.6m的Dart同10.4m的E200比,
我估後者少4個位島咋?

唔知NV58兄有冇10.4m E200的layout圖呢?
Great thanks

我會覺得當時係過剩，
唔好忘記果時好似
8A / 30X / 203E / 212 / 234X / 238M / 238X
都有行單層，呢度都用左好幾十部車。

[ 本帖最後由 238X 於 2010-6-20 12:24 編輯 ]

或者，應該可以咁，退左某d車，空左一d quota，
再睇形勢先決定入乜或者咁會好d。

又或者，必要時叫運吉加quota，咁咪唔驚單層車數量問題。