轉載：非原廠牌品車身的E400H

原帖由 on11358 於 2011-10-27 15:53 發表

講真，而家大家都係拎Green Bus Fund試下，加加埋埋都唔知有冇一千部，
真係大批入果陣巴士公司/製造商自然會考慮有冇第二款車身。

Of course, and that is the whole point - it's all commercial decisions. Sadly, not everyone manage to take their bias away and see things rationally.

If you ask me though, I don't see a new bodywork made available for the B5LH any time soon unless 1. Wrightbus upset the applecart to go all integral (aka ADL), 2. the demand of hybrid goes to the roof or 3. exploration to other markets. That said, I believe the 7700 hybrid is actually pretty close to the B5LH anyway, so technically, the type is already available with a different bodywork, albeit as a single decker.

原帖由 S3N92 於 2011-10-27 14:59 發表
我話好過威個款..而唔係volvo..有人都未必出聲tim

S3N92: You are absolutely right, at least for me. Because the Gemini HEV (Mk.1/2) being outclassed by the E400H is a fact, and I mean that operationally i.e. reliability and, in my opinion, comfort. And I know it is also behind the B5LH as well, which is also a fact.

I say this without being clouded by any kind of prejudice, because I am close enough to those who know, and read enough from reports about the operational experience of the types. And if you care to read my posts in the past, you should know what my most favoured hybrid double decker is.

Shall I just say, a bit of researching is always worthwhile. Randomly bashing other products without understanding fact is not helping your credibility.

原帖由 NV58 於 2011-10-28 02:42 發表


Of course, and that is the whole point - it's all commercial decisions. Sadly, not everyone manage to take their bias away and see things rationally.

If you ask me though, I don't see a new bodywor ...

係係..你最熟..你話你做呢行架ma
之不過..我講個樣優點同你講個樣係兩回事...都係事實呀
你有資料都唔代表有你講無人講...架車你造架？

原帖由 S3N92 於 2011-10-28 14:58 發表

係係..你最熟..你話你做呢行架ma
之不過..我講個樣優點同你講個樣係兩回事...都係事實呀
你有資料都唔代表有你講無人講...架車你造架？

Of course you are more than welcome to carry on, it's all about your credibility, not mine. I am just not interested with your flamebait. And talking about non-fact, I don't work in the bus/coach-building or operating industry, and I really wonder where you have heard this from (not to mention I have no interest to disclose my profession here either).

Anyway, back to the topic. So you now say having another bodywork is an advantage of the E400H over the B5, so how about if I throw this to you then - your hated B9TL - 2-axle version only - has been built on 6 bodyworks versus E400's 2 (or 3 if I let you count this Unvi bodywork), so by your analogy, shall i say the B9 is way better than the E400s then?

And before you start accusing me for taking the comparison away from hybrid deckers, let me point out that I am merely your fooly of calling having more bodywork available is an "advantage". I'll say this again if it wasn't already clear - Offering another bodywork is a commercial decision only to increase market exposure and sales opportunity, it has nothing to do with making it a better product.

原帖由 NV58 於 2011-10-29 00:39 發表


Of course you are more than welcome to carry on, it's all about your credibility, not mine. I am just not interested with your flamebait. And talking about non-fact, I don't work in the bus/coach-bu ...

睇到第二段我都唔知點回你
講緊b5你就講b9...大師..同一款車黎？
混能定柴油你都放埋一齊講...你講晒啦專家

講到尾都係睇下用家要求咩車身，正如B9TL都仲有ADL車身option，
信唔過廠方提供車身(又或者統一自己車隊)未搵第二款。

[ 本帖最後由 on11358 於 2011-10-29 02:12 編輯 ]

原帖由 S3N92 於 2011-10-28 16:45 發表

睇到第二段我都唔知點回你
講緊b5你就講b9...大師..同一款車黎？
混能定柴油你都放埋一齊講...你講晒啦專家

That speaks for your problem then. Another advice for you - read and understand what others say before you reply. Picking bits of what I say and try to twist it is not going to help you.

And, I do advice you look up the word "analogy" on dictionary as well, if you don't understand what it means (which you clearly don't).

For other readers though, was my previous post not clear enough to understand?

原帖由 NV58 於 2011-10-29 06:50 發表


That speaks for your problem then. Another advice for you - read and understand what others say before you reply. Picking bits of what I say and try to twist it is not going to help you.

And, I do  ...

唔該晒你教我英文wo
不過最後去返個問題...都係有你講無人講
係就係唔係就唔係,,,混能車的情況同柴油車的情況根本兩回事...你推出就黎根本就係偷換概念

原帖由 S3N92 於 2011-10-29 07:50 發表

唔該晒你教我英文wo
不過最後去返個問題...都係有你講無人講
係就係唔係就唔係,,,混能車的情況同柴油車的情況根本兩回事...你推出就黎根本就係偷換概念 ...

真心問: 混能車同柴油車對車身o既要求係點樣"兩回事"呢? 除o左要搵個地方去放Battery Pack 之外仲有乜野要特別留意o既呢?

Thanks!

原帖由 S3N92 於 2011-10-28 23:50 發表

唔該晒你教我英文wo
不過最後去返個問題...都係有你講無人講
係就係唔係就唔係,,,混能車的情況同柴油車的情況根本兩回事...你推出就黎根本就係偷換概念 ...

If I have the intention to stop you, I would have banned you in the first place, since you are talking non sense and under the definition of "灌水文章", you have already ticked the boxes of 內容空泛 (iRule 16(a)) and 無理之批評 (iRule 16(e)), by interpretation, under your initial post. Since I have been actively involved to the debate myself, I will leave other moderators to take that judgement on their own, as, with respect, it would not be fair for me to do this on you.

The fact remains that you fail to back yourself up on why having more bodywork makes the E400H a better bus than B5LH speaks for itself. It is a fantastic vehicle, a class leader, as I have iterated many times in the past. But to say that you said is a stretch way too far, a pure demonstration of blind, misguided and ill-informed fanboyism and total lack of rationale and common sense. Something I find it appalling

To follow up what sutrak says, chassis/bodywork integration for a conventional powered or hybrid powered bus is not entirely different. Anyone get to see the E400H's HybriDrive system or B5LH's i-SAM will know that the drivetrain is actually rather compact, much similar to a engine of a conventional powered bus (which tends to have a bigger engine and takes up more space). The key additional part is the battery pack and all associated wiring, with will be dealt with not differently to any other additional systems on the vehicle when it is bodied. Just look at your beloved E400H and compare against a conventional E400, or even Wrightbus' Gemini 2 DL and HEV would have given you the clue, if you paid attention.

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