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hkitalk.net 香港交通資訊網»論壇 (B) Bus 巴士討論區 外地巴士討論 (B5) [Northern Ireland, 轉載]Stagecoach London B5LH已出廠 ...
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原帖由 FS1819 於 2014-2-23 19:48 發表
想搭單問,BF63HFE仲有冇出車?HDE又有冇出過嚟行?


LVF says V6 was out on N12 last Friday. BF63HDE is at Heysham today, along with another B5TL demonstrator BF63HDG. Both have not been delivered to their respective operators, which I assume will be Metroline and Arriva London.

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原帖由 NV58 於 2014-2-22 10:48 發表


Dublin Bus only trialed a Gemini 1 HEV about 5 years ago. It left the fleet in 2011 and was taken over by Ensignbus, and then was completely burnt down in a battery fire a few months after.



They  ...


我諗我表達得唔好 ,本黎我係想講早排(一個月前)從愛爾蘭巴壇聽聞兩間公司各自試歐六 Volvo 混蛋
不過而家變成最少一部 B5TL 同埋 GW5498 兄話各自輪流試舊年展出個部淡綠色蛋都唔錯


同埋第二句係差唔多時間之前(從倫敦巴壇)聽聞 Stagecoach 而家開始混能車都會用返標準內籠,
記得見過一張相係架新出牌 E400H 入邊油返標準既藍橙色而唔再油綠黃色

但如果新消息係 Stagecoach 入多 30 部歐六混蛋咁簡直係錦上添花
雖然呢批車幾乎係 B7TL 後唯一一批停車會打冷震既蛋,不過性能似乎相當唔錯,而且從多過一個巴壇既消息聽返黎都係話混蛋出車率極高 (有 97%,分分鐘高過 B9)
而且實戰之下油耗相當接近 Volvo 車廠聲稱既數字 (有 d 調較至慳油模式有時甚至做到第一次轉波後仍然係電力行走,再下次先有引擎介入),唔知係咪呢兩個原因,舊年開始訂單可以爬到 E400H 頭



原帖由 NV58 於 2014-2-24 00:31 發表


LVF says V6 was out on N12 last Friday. BF63HDE is at Heysham today, along with another B5TL demonstrator BF63HDG. Both have not been delivered to their respective operators, which I assume will be  ...


請問 LVF 係咪指
https://www.londonvf.co.uk/
呢度?除左呢度、 LT Free apps (android) 或者 Next Bus UK Live (WP) 重有無其他方法追縱倫敦巴士行蹤?



另外又搭單問下 Heysham Docks 作用除左係 wrightbus 準備交貨或者上船運去其他地方既港口之外,係咪大概等於半個 Wrightbus 既私人車場咁用?
印象中雖然架 BF63HDG 係新整出黎,但架 BF63HDE 似乎都就黎擺左半年係度好似無乜郁過
之前分別有架 DW411 換歐六偈後好似都擺左係呢度一排 (而家唔知去左邊) 同埋 First 個堆 Wright/VDL 混蛋而家由私家車偈換左康偈後都擺左係度
如果話 DW411 呢 d 一年前已經換偈既都可能係 Wright 既測試車,不過而家 First 幾部車換引擎呢 d 應該唔算太高難度既事但竟然又泊左係呢度
咁到底係 First 假手於人由 Wright 搞換偈既事定係 Wright 實際上仍然落實晒日後自家雙層既路向想拎返少少用康偈既行車數據?



題外話,原來拍埋睇 Wright/VDL  d 車即使正常高度都矮矮地,之前九巴架 MCV/VDL 睇落都好似較到矮過 ATENU 一截
新換完偈個批 Wright/VDL 混蛋拍埋 B5/B9 度好似都係矮左一截咁,但車尾裙腳又整得非常低,睇落好似好易挖到車尾咁
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wrightap 發表於 2014-2-25 01:26 | 顯示全部樓層
小弟大約一個月多前坐車返蘇格蘭時,
在M6公路對面線見到相信係dw411,
可能已經南下返左落來。
stagecoach。megabus。citylink
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原帖由 HW8373 於 2014-2-24 14:53 發表

同埋第二句係差唔多時間之前(從倫敦巴壇)聽聞 Stagecoach 而家開始混能車都會用返標準內籠,
記得見過一張相係架新出牌 E400H 入邊油返標準既藍橙色而唔再油綠黃色


I have seen some pictures and can confirm that, at least for the London ones that are being delivered.

原帖由 HW8373 於 2014-2-24 14:53 發表

雖然呢批車幾乎係 B7TL 後唯一一批停車會打冷震既蛋,不過性能似乎相當唔錯,而且從多過一個巴壇既消息聽返黎都係話混蛋出車率極高 (有 97%,分分鐘高過 B9)
而且實戰之下油耗相當接近 Volvo 車廠聲稱既數字 (有 d 調較至慳油模式有時甚至做到第一次轉波後仍然係電力行走,再下次先有引擎介入),唔知係咪呢兩個原因,舊年開始訂單可以爬到 E400H 頭


The B5LH is simply a more versatile bus comparing to the E40H. The reason is that the drivetrain that the E40H uses is tailored for citybus operations, which makes it work great in towns and cities. Once outside, they cannot adapt to longer interurban routes because they do not have the speed for such operations. I remember reading from somewhere that the E40Hs tops out at 40mph, which is not a lot.

The B5LH , on the other hand, has a drivetrain that is develop with a much wider operation in mind - Volvo developed the whole system with a mind of putting that not just on buses, but also on trucks. Having a parallel drive system also gives the quite a lot of power to the bus as well (diesel-electric combined gives 375bhp for Euro 5 version, or 400bhp for Euro 6 version), so speed and power is not really an issue.

In actual operation, I understand both the E40H and B5LH are very much on par, with the Volvo edging ahead on reliability. I guess it's all these factors that make the Volvo to become increasingly popular. The E40H had the edge initially by using a proven hybrid system, and operators' initial skepticism on whether parallel drive system will be any good in citybus operations. However, as time goes by with the Volvo proving up to the job, I'm not surprised to see it gaining ground in the last couple of years.

原帖由 HW8373 於 2014-2-24 14:53 發表

請問 LVF 係咪指
https://www.londonvf.co.uk/
呢度?除左呢度、 LT Free apps (android) 或者 Next Bus UK Live (WP) 重有無其他方法追縱倫敦巴士行蹤?


That's the one. Other than that this is another interesting site (although LVF is generally more informative):

http://traintimes.org.uk/map/london-buses/

原帖由 HW8373 於 2014-2-24 14:53 發表
另外又搭單問下 Heysham Docks 作用除左係 wrightbus 準備交貨或者上船運去其他地方既港口之外,係咪大概等於半個 Wrightbus 既私人車場咁用?


No that yard belongs to the dock. The only reason why we keep seeing Wright buses weekly is because it is a transit point for Wright's delivery run for their buses. Once off the boat from Belfast, the buses will be parked up under Wrightbus' delivery drivers pick them up, and drive them to wherever they are supposed to go. Buses tends to come in on Saturday afternoon, and by Wednesday that follows, the latest, they will be gone from the yard.

As for BF63HDE, I can only guess it has been out and about on test in the past few months. It is the first B5TL with the proper Gemini 3 bodywork (V6 is a hybrid, more a Gemini 2.5) afterall.

As for DW411, it was converted to Euro 6 spec and disappeared from the face of the earth after that. I thought I read that it had been delivered back to Arriva, but clearly hasn't! It does not bear any resemblance to the First examples though, because 39001-5 are hybrids, and Wrightbus took them in for conversion because the Gemini HEV, both Mk.1 and 2, are very unrealiable. It's not the first time Wrightbus did something like this anyway, you need to look no further than the Electrocities, specifically Go-Ahead London's WHY1-7. They have already done one, Arriva's HW4, which is in service in London for some months now, but is massively overweight - that thing is now some 13T, the heaviest double decker in service in London. On the up side, at least Wrightbus finally has a reliable hybrid drivetrain, after 7 years of trying...

原帖由 HW8373 於 2014-2-24 14:53 發表
題外話,原來拍埋睇 Wright/VDL  d 車即使正常高度都矮矮地,之前九巴架 MCV/VDL 睇落都好似較到矮過 ATENU 一截
新換完偈個批 Wright/VDL 混蛋拍埋 B5/B9 度好似都係矮左一截咁,但車尾裙腳又整得非常低,睇落好似好易挖到車尾咁


I can only assume it has to do with the suspension settings.
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 樓主| GW5498 發表於 2014-3-5 10:04 | 顯示全部樓層
Stagacoach已經宣布本年度巴士訂單(詳情:http://www.stagecoachgroup.co.uk/media/news-releases/2014/2014-03-03.aspx)

當中較為矚目嘅有廿九部E400 MMC俾曼城, 及廿六部歐六Astromega更換OxfordTube全部車隊
我反而想知嘅係, 點解佢哋仲可以買歐五Scania呢?乜唔係只有本土嗰三間先可以繼續造歐五車咩?定係因為佢哋用ADL車身, 所以獲得豁免?
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原帖由 GW5498 於 5-3-2014 10:04 發表
Stagacoach已經宣布本年度巴士訂單(詳情:http://www.stagecoachgroup.co.uk/media/news-releases/2014/2014-03-03.aspx)

當中較為矚目嘅有廿九部E400 MMC俾曼城, 及廿六部歐六Astromega更換OxfordTube全部車隊
我反 ...
OxfordTube有冇咁快回本呀?5年換一次車咁豪爽﹗
唔講・唔等於・唔做
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原帖由 FS1819 於 6/3/2014 06:04 AM 發表
OxfordTube有冇咁快回本呀?5年換一次車咁豪爽﹗


係咪回咗本就唔知,不過應該係同當地劃咗低廢氣排放區(Low Emission Zone, LEZ)有關,而且非常嚴格,有巴士營運商因此要另外購買新車,以符合當地法例,譬如Arriva (Sapphire 280號線),Oxford Bus Company等等

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原帖由 FS1819 於 2014-3-5 22:04 發表
OxfordTube有冇咁快回本呀?5年換一次車咁豪爽﹗


It is normal, services like the Oxford Tube means that the vehicles rack up a lot of miles in their life and a 5-year replacement cycle makes sure the service can be operated reliably, Other operators which runs services of similar kind, like Yorkshire Coastliner and First (on the Eastern Counties X1) do the same thing as well.
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原帖由 FS1819 於 2014-3-6 06:04 發表
OxfordTube有冇咁快回本呀?5年換一次車咁豪爽﹗
其實對上那批Neoplan Skyliner
也是用了大概五年便被換走。
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隔離站頭競爭對手 X90 最近都開始換雙層 (或者正確 d 叫返錯層) B11RT 黎行,Oxford Tube 正路都唔可以輸蝕太多既

不過其實就算唔係 Oxford Tube,正如上面大家所講,正常換車 cycle 都係咁上下
就算行去隔離 London Victoria 睇下都見,基本上都好少見到六年車齡以上既車
最舊既 coach 之一只係舊年見過 megabus M16 線去 Norwich/UEA 既開國功臣 KX07HDJ 重行緊 (係 Freestones coach 公司,應該係 Megabus 外判出去,類似 NX 既玩法) 而家唔知係咪俾 YN08JBX 取代左定改左兩架 Scania 一架 Volvo 輪流行 M16 喇
正路就唔會就咁退晒,不過應該會換出黎去二三線既地方做下接送之類



講講下好似愈黎愈離題 不過講到 2014 後先公佈既歐五瑞典車廠訂單
(First 之前公佈既都有幾部 Plaxton 殼歐五 volvo 客車,可能因為係 Plaxton 車身又或者只係搭單擺埋落今年 1月既新聞稿一齊講咁解)
好似重有 Bath 個邊買兩部 12 米開頂 B9,而且係配 UNVI 車身,應該唔關英國本土車廠事,唔知係而家先公佈定又改左例定係點喇
(http://www.volvobuses.com/bus/uk/en-gb/_layouts/CWP.Internet.VolvoCom/NewsItem.aspx?News.ItemId=146323&News.Language=en-gb)
簡直同新創建買 51 部 11.3-12.8 米三軸 B9 既消息一樣咁過癮
上 UNVI 個網睇一睇 (http://www.unvi.es/en/gama.php?id=16&cat=3)
其實開頂 UNVI B9 係德國個邊已經見過,不過估唔到原來有多過一款長度揀,兼且重有 12 米開頂 E400H,
甚至重有單層 B9TL (原來軸距 5.15 米 B9 真係有人用,兼且係單層,載客量睇落亦相當唔錯)



而講開歐六、Volvo,愛爾蘭個邊最新消息係重有部單層圓碌碌 Volvo 加一部 Wright 出席 Volvo 商用車展,唔知係咪有無機會係 B8RLE 呢?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=749862141692392&set=a.228659923812619.68936.125399447472001&type=1&theater
另外有消息係年內會有 65 部雙層車 Dublin Bus,暫時當地巴壇似乎有四種講法:
有消息指車型代號為 SG (Super Gemini)、亦有消息指將會係歐六 5公升柴油偈 Volvo (應該即係最普通既 B5TL)、
亦有消息指個邊想試晒 B5TL、B5LH 同埋 StreetDeck 三種歐六雙層、亦有人推斷同舊年既新巴士訂單有無關聯 (因為其中一次新車 Tender 好似係夾雜著兩三軸雙層一齊)


唔知 S 係咪真係解 Super 呢...又如果係既話,到底只係同 "Super" Olympian 或者 Trident E500 "Turbo" 一樣只係刻意加隻字用黎突顯係新一代咁解,
豈或似 Super Metrobus/Pointer Dart 咁真係代表成個系列最新出品既加大碼產品喇...
如果屬實,無論係 B8TL、B8LT 都好,甚至係可能性低少少既 B5LH 三軸或者 Volvo 改口推出 B5TL 三軸都好,都同樣咁令人期待...


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