[Glasgow, Scotland] Glasgow退出ZeEUS計劃

較早前, ADL宣布將於倫敦同格拉斯哥(Glasgow)聯同各市交通局測試充電式混能(Virtual Electric)巴士, 其中E350VE曾於巴士展亮相
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128064013@N08/15187023724


然而, 當地嘅SPT就宣布退出有關測試, 話因為私營巴士公司認為有關車輛現時喺成本上無現時嘅混能車吸引

文章又透露, 嗰部車嘅內部測試結果亦都遠不及廠方預期, 話只有一成半時間以純電模式行走, 同廠方預期嘅八成有好大距離

http://www.transport-network.co.uk/Glasgow-drops-out-of-Euro-electric-bus-trials/11596

相關討論: http://www.busandcoachforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=17980&start=1500

測試結果出嚟竟然差成咁?

對家反而喺內部測試成功, 並於其他地方繼續試驗
http://chargedevs.com/newswire/volvos-plug-in-hybrid-buses-save-fuel-delight-drivers/

[ 本帖最後由 GW5498 於 2015-4-20 20:46 編輯 ]

一直都搞唔清楚 Volvo 7900 plug-in 版

同 E350 Virtual electric 版有咩實際分別

係咪只係車頂插電同埋車底無線叉電既分別？

(諗緊係咪無線叉電效率比集電弓叉電低呢)





btw

轉貼

https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/17223604415/sizes/o/

E400MMC x B5LH 11.5 米陸續出牌，無睇錯淨重好似只有 11245 kg

再創新低

Wright 倫敦版 10.5 米已經係呢個數





唔知 Reading 個批 11.5 米 E400MMC x E40D 幾重呢？

原帖由 HW8373 於 22/4/2015 05:38 PM 發表

一直都搞唔清楚 Volvo 7900 plug-in 版

同 E350 Virtual electric 版有咩實際分別

係咪只係車頂插電同埋車底無線叉電既分別？

(諗緊係咪無線叉電效率比集電弓叉電低呢)

我淨係覺得Series車本來已經係傾向純電驅動, 以呢個基礎改成Virtual Electric版應該唔難

或者充電速度, 從而影響班次準確度真係關鍵

人為因素, 譬如架車無對正充電裝置就另計

原帖由 HW8373 於 22/4/2015 05:38 PM 發表

E400MMC x B5LH 11.5 米陸續出牌，無睇錯淨重好似只有 11245 kg

再創新低

Wright 倫敦版 10.5 米已經係呢個數

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdlowuk/sets/72157649825670034

呢度有張仲清楚, 仲有埋廳相

部車居然唔係用方梯, 睇落仲有啲似StreetDeck/Gemini 3嗰條

有啲位我覺得幾突兀, 譬如擺電嗰個位, 零零舍舍用預製組件包住
倫敦版可能無咁突兀

另外, 擺引擎嗰邊, 一高一低嘅對頭位, 向前嗰邊成個預製組件露晒出嚟
如果ADL好似New Routemaster咁處理會好得多
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpbsp/9702221688

原帖由 HW8373 於 22/4/2015 05:38 PM 發表

唔知 Reading 個批 11.5 米 E400MMC x E40D 幾重呢？

頭批嘅淨重好似係約十一點六噸, 次批用另一款L記凳而輕過頭批嘅約二百公斤

另外, Brighton 嘅長陣StreetDeck淨重約十一點三噸, Lothian 嘅長陣B5TL都係同佢差唔多噸位
https://www.flickr.com/photos/51738247@N03/17014249420/sizes/o/

真心覺得今次enviro400 mmc x B5lh 的設計不錯

原帖由 HW8373 於 2015-4-22 09:38 發表

E400MMC x B5LH 11.5 米陸續出牌，無睇錯淨重好似只有 11245 kg

再創新低

Wright 倫敦版 10.5 米已經係呢個數

Both aren't really like-for-like comparison, considering how much more kits are fitted on TfL-spec buses. We won't see a real comparison until Go-Ahead London's EHV-class enter service over summer. My rough guess is the E400MMC-bodied version shall be about 100kg heavier than the Gemini.

原帖由 HW8373 於 2015-4-22 09:38 發表

一直都搞唔清楚 Volvo 7900 plug-in 版

同 E350 Virtual electric 版有咩實際分別

係咪只係車頂插電同埋車底無線叉電既分別？

(諗緊係咪無線叉電效率比集電弓叉電低呢)

The pantograph 7905H you are thinking about is the Electric Hybrid - plug in hybrid is different in that it has a socket for charging in depot overnight. Charging method is currently the difference between the 7905H and E350HVE, although I recall reading from some source that, Volvo is open to adapt the B5LH for wireless charging as well (in response to the E400HVE due in London).

Wireless charging is not, in relative terms, not as efficient as plug-in or pantograph. Doing this through electromagnetic influence involve a bigger energy loss. The problem ADL faces, if true, could be down to the charge pad being not efficient enough.

原帖由 GW5498 於 2015-4-25 06:48 發表


有啲位我覺得幾突兀, 譬如擺電嗰個位, 零零舍舍用預製組件包住
倫敦版可能無咁突兀

This is no different to the Wright-bodied version though. In fact, I expect the London-spec version to have the battery moved forward at the same place as that on the Geminis, in order leave space for the rear door.

Personally, I quite like ADL has moved the battery pack further back. It makes the low floor space a bit more open.

原帖由 GW5498 於 2015-4-25 06:48 發表

另外, Brighton 嘅長陣StreetDeck淨重約十一點三噸, Lothian 嘅長陣B5TL都係同佢差唔多噸位

It looks like the StreetDeck and B5TL weighs almost exactly the same. Both demonstrators with Go-Ahead London has a weight different of 60kg in StreetDeck's favour.

原帖由 NV58 於 28/4/2015 03:27 AM 發表
Both aren't really like-for-like comparison, considering how much more kits are fitted on TfL-spec buses. We won't see a real comparison until Go-Ahead London's EHV-class enter service over summer. My rough guess is the E400MMC-bodied version shall be about 100kg heavier than the Gemini.

長陣Wright B5LH亦都出現咗
http://malsfotofile.smugmug.com/HeyshamDocks/Heysham-Docks/i-Rsxz2gR/0/O/Lothian%20150510%20Heysham.jpg
將來唔單只喺倫敦見到配兩大車身廠嘅B5LH, 連蘇格蘭都可以見到

不過, 之前啲巴士雜誌唔係話Lothian喺Scottish Green Bus Fund度攞資助, 訂E400MMC殼B5LH咩?
莫非中途改咗訂單?

原帖由 GW5498 於 2015-5-12 03:09 發表


長陣Wright B5LH亦都出現咗

將來唔單只喺倫敦見到配兩大車身廠嘅B5LH, 連蘇格蘭都可以見到

不過, 之 ...

I didn't realise Lothian have an order as well, how many are they getting?

Not that I am surprised given how much they like their 7905Hs...

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Found the answer myself - looks like they are getting 20 examples for route 34.

[ 本帖最後由 NV58 於 2015-5-12 07:07 編輯 ]

原帖由 NV58 於 28/4/2015 03:27 AM 發表
Both aren't really like-for-like comparison, considering how much more kits are fitted on TfL-spec buses. We won't see a real comparison until Go-Ahead London's EHV-class enter service over summer. My rough guess is the E400MMC-bodied version shall be about 100kg heavier than the Gemini.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/18201069305/
以上相片嘅拍攝者話部車淨重11275kg

似乎兩隻殼都係差唔多咁輕 (同公司Gemini 3 B5LH淨重11245kg)

原帖由 GW5498 於 2015-6-1 11:06 發表


https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/18201069305/
以上相片嘅拍攝者話部車淨重11275kg

似乎兩隻殼都係差唔多咁輕 (同公司Gemini 3 B5LH淨重11245kg)

I am not surprised, given only so much can be done to take weight out of the bodywork. What is interesting is that it looks like the B5LH chassis itself is also lighter than the diesel E40D. Against the E40H, it is almost 400kg as well. Now I know that the E400s have a slightly bigger engine, which weighs more. However the difference is still quite startling.

Small wonders that the Volvo hybrid is selling so well lately.