轉貼：ADL面向左軑市場的全新混能巴士

原帖由 cn2661_2d32 於 2010-7-15 12:41 發表


威記果架其實佢係咪當埋普通掛接巴士定係當其他類型車種.
否則同一道理,要保護本土工業, 冇理由比W公司做single decker,唔比A造.

定抑或意思係
只係唔準ADL喺美國本土砌單層
唔計外地引入？

原帖由 sea1986 於 2010-7-15 12:52 發表


定抑或意思係
只係唔準ADL喺美國本土砌單層
唔計外地引入？

Should probably be the former. Otherwise how could we have seen the bunch of Vanhools in the SF Bay Area and Wright Streetcars in Las Vegas?

原帖由 S3N92 於 2010-7-15 10:37 發表

咁我又奇怪
威隻streetcar掛接係咩黎？

Wright Streetcar do not fit the "Buy America" rule and RTC had to get special approval in order to get money for them. Plus the funding that were used for the streetcar was from a different funding which is not the regular bus purchasing funding. Wright also used American components (the ISL engine and ISE Hybrid drive) in order to make the bus more American. New Flyer have been complaining about RTC buying streetcar and response from RTS stated that the reason that streetcar could get funding was because of the full SLF which buses in US are not able to provide. New Flyer is already trying to make a full SLF artic bus and if it can be created when RTC needs to get more they cannot get streetcar anymore.

原帖由 sea1986 於 2010-7-15 12:52 發表


定抑或意思係
只係唔準ADL喺美國本土砌單層
唔計外地引入？

right, you got my point
meaning that if ADL is able to provide something that american bus makers don't transit agencies will be able to buy them through funding

原帖由 S3BL100 於 2010-7-15 13:28 發表


Should probably be the former. Otherwise how could we have seen the bunch of Vanhools in the SF Bay Area and Wright Streetcars in Las Vegas?

For the streetcar I already answered above
For Vanhool I don't know if you know about US bus news or not, if you kind of know about it you should know that AC transit bought so many Vanhools because they had an affair or something and people have been questioning the reason of buying a large batch of vanhool while they have nothing special(that's also why the early batch had so many doors to make it seem like only vanhool can make those buses)
The government promised to investigate what's going on between vanhool and AC transit but up to this point are still "investigating" with no result while AC transit is getting normal Vanhool buses now and ordering the brand new "SLF commuter coach"
If you google you will find a lot of news about the relationship between vanhool and AC transit

原帖由 cn2661_2d32 於 2010-7-15 12:41 發表


威記果架其實佢係咪當埋普通掛接巴士定係當其他類型車種.
否則同一道理,要保護本土工業, 冇理由比W公司做single decker,唔比A造.


*上面篇文講左For Europe..
應該係打算同MAN果d爭過.

不過,有錢ge,好似德國呢d ...

唔係絕對囉
況且車都未整你都可以話車陣簡唔簡單？..勁
同埋荷蘭最近有公司order一批solo了

SOLO同呢隻車又係兩回事WO...歐洲各大車廠都識整FULL SLF尾門車, 係得ADL 隻E200衰左, 只不過ADL呢隻係混能, 可能搶到頭淡湯...同埋要睇下ADL用嘅技術係咪自家野WO, 唔係嘅話間間廠都可以照DUP...人地BENZ呢D德國廠晨早研究FUEL CELL等更HIGH TECH野, ADL同人地真係差幾皮...

原帖由 S3N92 於 2010-7-15 20:42 發表

唔係絕對囉
況且車都未整你都可以話車陣簡唔簡單？..勁
同埋荷蘭最近有公司order一批solo了

唔係咁ge意思
我只係諗住引用之前好耐有個版友講過.
如果以德國佬以M.Benz同MAN/Neoplan眼光來睇,
Dart呢d車陣簡單到笑死人的道理
想講英國佬車可能未受EU其他用家青睞.

原帖由 cn2661_2d32 於 2010-7-15 23:22 發表


唔係咁ge意思
我只係諗住引用之前好耐有個版友講過.
如果以德國佬以M.Benz同MAN/Neoplan眼光來睇,
Dart呢d車陣簡單到笑死人的道理
想講英國佬車可能未受EU其他用家青睞. ...

dart呢...arriva響荷蘭都入過
你可以話佢笑死人...但真係有人buy過

原帖由 sunnykam 於 2010-7-15 23:20 發表
SOLO同呢隻車又係兩回事WO...歐洲各大車廠都識整FULL SLF尾門車, 係得ADL 隻E200衰左, 只不過ADL呢隻係混能, 可能搶到頭淡湯...同埋要睇下ADL用嘅技術係咪自家野WO, 唔係嘅話間間廠都可以照DUP...人地BENZ呢D德國廠 ...

E200有無出過去左軑呀老細
又係呢d point...ADL同MB規模差幾遠呀...同埋歐洲一樣大把細廠...唔通佢地又無可取之處？
仲有..full 咩 cell呀....high tech呀...不過咪有兩部放落英澳的博物館囉..有無普及過呀
bmw當年玩過氫車...又係好high呀..不過咪又係得個concept囉

[ 本帖最後由 S3N92 於 2010-7-15 23:30 編輯 ]

放心,如果ADL起歐洲衰左....俾個科技五洲虫，一定可以響中國有作為(最少重慶、深圳都會迫住買...)

原帖由 S3N92 於 2010-7-15 15:26 發表

dart呢...arriva響荷蘭都入過
你可以話佢笑死人...但真係有人buy過

Yes, but on a flip side:

1. Arriva is a UK company, so Darts are less of an alien to them, unlike continental based operators. Even the 10 that were sold to Portugal were bought by Stagecoach which, erh hum, is a UK company as well.
2. That's 50 of those in a single batch. Instead of follow-up orders, Arriva Nederland have switched to a much greater number of SB120/200s ever since.

In any case, 61 sold to 3 operators in Continental Europe over all the years isn't all that spectacular, is it?

原帖由 S3N92 於 2010-7-15 15:27 發表

E200有無出過去左軑呀老細
又係呢d point...ADL同MB規模差幾遠呀...同埋歐洲一樣大把細廠...唔通佢地又無可取之處？

I personally think that had the original E200 was offered LHD, it would have scored some success in continental Europe. It has no compeition in the same class at the time of launch. Even now, it is lighter than competing products offered in Europe.

I just found this new bus confusing. For all the last decade, ADL and its predecessor has practically given up the heavy single decker sector. Why now, and most importantly, why launch it to a market where 1. competition is so tough and 2. they have no foothold at all in the first place? Being a hybrid is not going to bring them an advantage either, because Evobus, Volvo, MAN etc. are also offering contemporary product as well, which much greater customer base to support them. The system they are using, BAE Systems' HybriDrive, is also offered on Irisbus products as well. And Irisbus, if anything, have a much larger customer base as well.

The point I'm getting is, this thing is not like the Solo, which have very little competition in continental Europe, and yet, still did not set the world alight there. If you think I'm just bashing ADL, I will kindly point out Optare has tried to offer the Tempo, similar in size to this new ADL, to continental Europe as well. Guess how many they have sold at the end? Yes, just one, in Kiel, Germany.

That said, I don't understand why you think the size between ADL and Evobus is such an issue. Size of the company is one thing, but you fit your strategies around it, your products, and the opportunities ahead, in order to sustain growth. You just have to look at where the likes of Optare and Wrightbus were 20 years ago, and where they are now, to get the clue.

原帖由 S3N92 於 2010-7-15 15:27 發表

仲有..full 咩 cell呀....high tech呀...不過咪有兩部放落英澳的博物館囉..有無普及過呀

First of all, it's fuel cell.

Secondly, the technology is moving quicker than you think. The original Citaro fuel cells may have consigned to the museum now, but it is far from the end of the story - There are 35 Citaro BZs on the road as we speak. More curiously, Wrightbus is smaller that ADL, but it doesn't stop them building fuel cell buses, which 5 are due for First London at the turn of the year.

You may not have seen much going on, but it doesn't mean the technology is dead in the water - Far from it. In any case, hybrids are not much more common as we speak now - 3 times the price of a diesel equivalent is a costly undertaking...