B-KPB 成為國泰首架退役的 777-300ER

AVD1 發表於 2018-12-18 11:49
其實長遠計 CX 係有需要諗下大型 regional 機嘅 replacement。
早前傳國泰對 787-10 有興趣，正正就係睇中 ...

又話入777-9x

6119 發表於 2018-12-21 15:20
又話入777-9x

777-9X 國泰係入左 21 架，
不過呢 21 架機都係主力飛長途線，都唔係專做地區性航線。

DIH 發表於 2018-12-21 12:05
我諗而家大勢都係long-haul機用舊之後做regional，製造商唔使度身訂造新機之餘，航空公司可以頻密更換長 ...

呢個問題又係去返前面 ＃5 個 post 嘅問題。
77W 其實飛 regional 個效益係不及 773。

PS. 其實 A 網呢個 post 就正正討論緊 CX 用機嘅問題：
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=526609

當中 ＃4 同埋 #14 其實係幾直接講左 773 比起 77W 於地區性航線上嘅優勢：

There are some airlines, however, that make economic use of the 773 - CX and SQ are 2 in particular. Because they have lower weights, because floor space is the same, if range is not an issue (e.g. 8 hour mission from SIN-SYD), then it is usually more economical to send a 773 than a 77W assuming configuration is identical. In CX's case, its 773's are configured in a more economy heavy configuration than its 77W's and is mostly used for runs through SE Asia, Japan and South Korea - the added weight of the 77W costs more to haul around.

Different planes for different missions - the 773 suited airlines like SQ and CX who were replacing 742's and 743's for their 3-4 hour regional routes - the 77W is a plane designed for 744 type (and obviously longer) missions. The 77W is capable of a lot more but if you were running an airline that had no routes over 8 hours (like SIN-NRT), then I would query whether the 77W is the right aircraft. For CX and SQ who both use the 77W on shorter routes, their 77W's fly 12+ hour flights regularly so the "intelligent mis-use" (as CX calls it) of the 77W isn't a problem.

This has been the case-the A330 has decisively won the airlines where very long range is not required. As the A330 has been improved it has proved to be more economical than any version of the 777. However, the A330 does not have the range of the 77W, and so where extremely long range is needed there is no substitute for the 77W. As others have noted, having the long range capability has its penalties in that even when you are not carrying all of that fuel you are still carrying the structure it requires. This is why both the A330 and the 77W are selling well (at least until the 787 becomes readily available, at which point A330 sales will dry up) and the 77E is not selling.

換句話講，77W 其實係冇咩可能長期用起地區性航線身上，尤其 CX 計到盡嘅性格，
只係而家市場上真係除 787-10 之外冇咩一種大型 regional 嘅 replacement 而搞到佢去入二手 773 而已。

其實睇返 CX 個年度報告，其實得 19 架 77W 係自己擁有，其餘全部都係租返黎，
假如 350 全部到位，部份 77W 退租，加返將來自己嘅發展需要，
到頭黎未又係要諗 regional replacement

燃油效益上的確77W吾係一個perfect既regional replacement,
但係你吾好忘記買機成本尼個因素 (77W到時都折舊得七七八八, 供又供完),
計埋新機款既parts; 維修同埋crew training,
分分鐘抵過入一款新既regional專機.

國泰都講到明將來會有一批77W專飛regional,
我相信就係國泰自己擁有果19架. 其他果D, 到期就退租.
反正將來long haul都係350同777X既天下.

FS7418 發表於 2018-12-19 20:01
聽聞因航會係嚟緊5/6年內phase out所有A330
話就話大部份port可以用77W飛
但始終有啲port因為客量/機場基 ...

係Sam Chui A350-1000收機Post 睇過CX 打算2019-2020翻新A330經濟位，
CX長途機隊越來越多，反而短途航班班次幾乎0增長，長途機更鬆動，對短途機的需求越來越低，似乎令到CX唔急於換短途機

其實市場上真係無乜773 2手，EK剛剛退晒773，但因航都唔執晒，應該有d伏。
或者學JAL咁，用A35K改regional config

Aeon802 發表於 2018-12-21 17:39
係Sam Chui A350-1000收機Post 睇過CX 打算2019-2020翻新A330經濟位，
CX長途機隊越來越多，反而短途航班 ...

因為因航之後都會係A330上面加inflight connecitivity服務
所以會有機換位係唔出奇，未必代表佢唔會隔多幾年就退機或者過繼
不過我都係聽返嚟，應該過多一段時間就會更加清楚因航會想點玩

始終長途機config做短途機係無問題
但調返轉就未必可以
所以寧願用盡堆長途機中間時間飛下短途攝時間
比起搵大堆短途機，機隊個flexibility會高啲
而且因航regional航線班次定航線都無乜點增長
之前連KUL FUK都俾埋因龍做
對regional config機嘅需求更加唔大

AVD1 發表於 2018-12-21 15:51
呢個問題又係去返前面 ＃5 個 post 嘅問題。
77W 其實飛 regional 個效益係不及 773。

但其中6架77W係採用購機回租協議，這6架77W短期內相信不會退租予中銀（CA亦有同樣情況）

https://www.bocaviation.com/zh-cn/press-releases/2009/9/boc-aviation-signs-six-aircraft-purchase-and-leaseback-deal-with-cathay-pacific

BOC有意協助CX管理A350機隊
https://m.mingpao.com/ins/經濟 ... 助國泰管理a350

rickywk 發表於 2018-12-21 22:35
其實市場上真係無乜773 2手，EK剛剛退晒773，但因航都唔執晒，應該有d伏。
或者學JAL咁，用A35K改regional  ...

其實今次 JAL 呢個決定都幾夠薑，
話哂自己本身都係用開 B 公司廣體機，
加上日本國內線咁飛法，A 公司係唔係真係可以有 B 公司咁耐用真係拭目以待

AVD1 發表於 2018-12-23 12:55
其實今次 JAL 呢個決定都幾夠薑，
話哂自己本身都係用開 B 公司廣體機，
加上日本國內線咁飛法，A 公司係 ...

所以佢早排買多兩隻787-8專飛國內線